Velodyne DEQ-15R Build Quality
One doesn't have to be in the Home Theater game long to hear the name Velodyne. While they haven't quite permeated as far as some Home Theater in a Box manufacturers, they are probably one of the first "real" speaker companies you were introduced to. If you are anything like me, you've got Velodyne envy. If you don't have one, you want one. Even if you have a sub you are happy with, there is always that nagging question in the back of your mind… "What would a Velodyne sound like in my room?" Well, I can't say I answered that question for myself with this review but I did get to play with a Velodyne sub. And that's almost as good.
Build Quality
This is one of those rare reviews that doesn't involve an official
review unit from a manufacturer. In this case, my parents needed a subwoofer.
If you remember, about a year ago I did a review of The
Speaker Company NTIW25 and NTIW26 in-wall speakers. This was conducted at
my parent's home and at the conclusion of the review, I had all of about 30
minutes to do listening tests before their sub died. Well, it's a year later
and they still don't have a working sub. As I visit once a year, they decided
to buy one so that I can help install/calibrate it during my visit. So off I went
scouring the Internet for a deal on a sub that I could be proud of. In no small
way, my parent's system is a reflection of me as I'm the one that
picks/installs all their speakers. The tSc speakers have been performing well
and my parents have been thrilled with them, now I just had to find a sub up to
the task.
Of course, one of the first names I came up with was Velodyne. I went searching and found out that their DEQ-R series was on sale over at the Audioholics store so I did some research. While I loved the prices of the Chrysalis line (which is basically a lower cost Velodyne), I knew that my parent's room has problems. It has carpet and a fluffy couch but that is about it. The walls are at angles, there is an alcove that rings so bad that you sound like a Cylon when you talk in it, and room treatments have been vetoed. Any little bit of EQ my parents could get would help. The Chrysalis subs didn’t offer a model with an EQ so that was out.
What immediately drew my attention was the DEQ line. With it's automatic
5-band EQ, we have a product that has all the functionality of the similarly
priced DLS-R line but without the gloss black finish. As I value an EQ over a
finish any day of the week (especially in this application as you'll see), I
was definitely interested in the DEQ. Generally speaking with subwoofers you
either need a big enclosure or a big amp. Velodyne has a few offerings that
have the latter with boxes that are barely bigger than the driver. These subs
tend to have slightly less extension than their larger counterparts. I
contacted my parents and asked if they wanted a smaller sub or one that went
lower. I also asked how much they cared about the appearance of the sub. They
had decided that the sub would go on the right side of the room and would be
obscured by the couch (which is in an L shape) so they didn't care about the
size or the looks as long as it fit in the space and wouldn't be visible (i.e.
too tall). A few quick measurements later and we quickly determined that any of
the DEQ line would work as long as their budget allowed.
The DEQ-R line of subs has 8, 10, 12, and 15 inch woofers. The boxes of course increase in size/weight with the driver size. After a bit of discussion, we decided that either the 12" or 15" would work. The price was right for the DEQ-15R (they were on sale for $750, at the time of this writing they were going for $850) which was only about $100 more than the 12. At this price point, my parents decided to go with the "big boy" and bought the DEQ-15R. I have to say, I felt an emotion akin to the pride you feel when your son rides his two-wheel bike for the first time at the news.
The only problem we were up against was time. The sub wasn't going to
arrive until the last day of my visit. So I had to do the measurements and
listening tests in a very short period of time. As you might predict, UPS took
their sweet time delivering the sub
which arrived after 6pm.
Not only that, but they had beat up the box pretty good. Velodyne packs their
subs fairly well with foam endcaps and double boxing but UPS had managed to
mishandle the boxes so badly that they had dinged up the edges and one of the corners
and even broke off one of the grills posts. I've spoken to the managers of the
Audioholics Store and they have decided (based on this experience) to reinforce
the edges of all larger subwoofers like the DEQ-15R from now on to ensure that
others don't have a similar experience. This should eliminate any such
incidents in the future. While the sub would have been covered under the UPS
insurance, anyone that has had dealings with submitting a claim knows how long
it can take. For a little extra expense on the Audioholic's store's part they
will save you that hassle.
The sub itself is substantial in size but
not overly so. I actually expected something quite a bit bigger. After
experiences with online subwoofer manufacturers, I guess I'm used to seeing
subs that are the size of coffee tables or cribs. Anything smaller than that
ordered online is sort of a welcome surprise. The DEQ-15R measures 21" x
18.375” x 20.75”. The sub fit perfectly in the space provided and my parents
were very happy with the size. From the front of the sub, you see a gloss black
plate at the top with the digital readout and grill. The grill posts were
disappointingly small and, as I often find with grills of this size, it felt
flimsy. The only real workaround for this is a grill constructed out of MDF
instead of plastic but at this price point, you are really paying for the
electronics and driver.
There are no
threaded inserts for feet. The provided rubber feet are conical with a sticky
bottom. The sub comes with a remote, a power cord, a mic and a mic stand, and
directions. There is a slot-style port just below the huge 15" driver.
Behind the grill on the top left of the front baffle is an IR receiver while
the top left has a mic input. The amp sports most of the things you'd expect
including low pass crossover dial (40-120Hz), RCA inputs and outputs, and line level
inputs and outputs. Conspicuously absent is a volume dial which is replaced
with volume up and down buttons. There is no phase control on the amp backplate
as that is digitally controlled. One thing I think all subs should have is a
ground lift. While I didn't have any problems with a ground loop, subwoofers
are notorious for introducing such problems and I think that a ground lift
should be standard equipment on all subs. The DEQ doesn't have one.
Usually, this is the portion of the review where I post all the internal pics and tell you how well the DEQ-15R was constructed. Unfortunately, I ran into two problems. The first was that there was a plastic cover over the screws securing the driver to the enclosure. It did not give under my gentle probing and frankly I wasn't going to push it as this was my parent's sub and I didn't want to break it. While I could have probably gotten around this (removing the amp for example), I ran into my second and more serious problem - time. The sub arrived after 6pm and my kids go to bed at 8pm. When we visit my parents I sleep in the home theater room (apropos don't you think?) so I literally had less than two hours to unpack, measure, setup, and calibrate the sub. That didn't leave much time for listening tests much less taking apart the sub. Something had to give. I did do a knock test and it was about what you'd expect at this price point from a company like Velodyne - somewhat more inert than you'd imagine for its size but there definitely could be more bracing in there.
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Since some care about this: my current set up (in a town home while building my home) is System Audio SA510 bookshelves, NAD 747 as pre/pro and Acurus A250...
I went to Fry's today to check this sub out based on positive feedback from this review. I asked the salesman to move this sub to their theater room as an effort to get better room acoustics than the open area, with tons of background noise etc., and he did. They also ran the auto EQ.
The best thing I can say about this sub is that it puts out substantial bass. Personally I found it to be very loose and muddy sounding, boomy. It's not a 'one-note' sub but instead riddled with bad cabinet resonance. Though not as quite as loud the DEQ 12 has a smoother response in the 'bad' listening area. This sub was priced at $899 and was easily, surprisingly, outdone by the Minivee 10 in SQ... and the Minivee was only $100 more.
If you're considering this sub, I recommend listening to everything else in the general price range. It was loud and boomed but lacked detail.
I find testing a subwoofer at such low decibal levels does not tell me anything. Most good subwoofers roll off at the 80dB level, but are capable of much more.
Here is a subwoofer shootout list if anyone is interested. If you look at the data, you will find that most of the subs tested were ran well into the triple digits and quite a few averaged triple digits with +/- 3dB or so.
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-newpb12plus.cfm [svsound.com]
http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/products.html [epiksubwoofers.com]
http://www.edesignaudio.com/index.php?cPath=2_41 [edesignaudio.com]
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McSmarty, which pricepoint are you looking at and how large is your room? It may be better to start your own specific thread.
