JL Audio f110 Listening Tests
CD: Donald Fagen - Morph the Cat
This isn’t my favorite Donald Fagen CD, but it does
contain a lot of deep bass info which is exactly what I was looking for to warm
up the f110s for my listening tests. Track
#1 “Morph the Cat” started right out the gate with some heavy hitting bass
guitar and bass drums that rattled my walls and let me know the f110s are awake
and ready to play. I moved around my
listening area and was pleasantly surprised to find the bass wasn’t boomy even
when sitting on the left couch a few feet from where I placed the front
f110. Track #2 “H Gang” is probably my
favorite track on the disc. It’s got a
cool funky beat mated with memorable harmonizing lyrics that you simply can’t
get out of your head after hearing a few times.
The bass produced by the f110s was both articulate and clean, sounding
better as the volume was pumped up.
Track #3 “What I Do” had my couch shaking which really enhanced the
enjoyment of the track for me. Using a
pair of f110s located diagonally across my room produced an excellent virtual
sub image which tricked my brain into thinking the bass was coming from my front channels and not two discrete locations
away from them.
Miscellaneous CD’s
I ran through a gamut of CD’s during my listening sessions and took notes on the stuff that stood out the most to me. I spent a good deal of time listening to a few tracks on an Usher Audio Demo CD sampler that was handed to me at the CES trade show a couple of years back. The f110 was able to deliver good transient bass response without sounding muddy on track #6, “Don Juan”, though not as detailed or snappy as I’ve heard on my reference tower speakers that don’t utilize a crossover on the bass drivers and rely on the natural roll off of the driver themselves as the LPF function.
Next up was a CD I haven’t played in quite some time from Manheim Steamroller called Fresh Aire 7. Track #5 “The Seven Metals of Alchemy” has some insanely low end bass drops throughout the song that you will hear and feel if played back on a good system with excellent bass extension. The f110s seemed to really enjoy playing this song and strutting their stuff. I enjoyed the following seven tracks that individually dealt with the seven chakras of the body producing vibrantly low and sustained bass tones to stimulate the body and mind.
I threw on some bass-heavy techno type music from the
likes of Depeche Mode and Roger Powell.
“Only When I Lose Myself” is one of those Depeche Mode mixes that they
brilliantly spin a CD off the hit single with remix options some of which work
while others don’t. The “Gus Gus
Longplay” is pretty trick so I went with that.
The bass in this song is extremely deep and highly distorted. On most systems it sounds like mud and will
easily send wimp woofers on a trip past their excursion limitations. I was expecting the JL f110s to handle this
track without any issues and they didn’t disappoint. The bass was prominent and about as stress-free
as I’ve heard on some of the best subwoofers we’ve tested. I moved on to one of my favorite CH hit
singles from Depeche Mode when I was in High School “Enjoy the Silence”. Track #4 “Enjoy the Silence (Bass Line)” got
my chest thumping once the high energy bass line kicked in. Listening to this track at house shaking
volume levels was an oxymoron based on the title and lyrics and I am sure my
neighbors “enjoyed the silence” when
I was done testing these subs.
SACD: Patricia Barber – Modern Cool & Nightclub
I always like to throw in some of the fabulously
recorded SACD discs from Patricia Barber by Premonition Records. Track # 7 “Company” from Modern Cool is a really hip tune with a killer drum solo towards
the middle of the song. The f110s seemed
to play this track a bit heavy on the low end but still maintaining good tonal
quality and clarity in the bass drum. As
I turned the volume higher, the integration between my front speakers and the
subs seemed to blend in even better. The
f110s did a great job of convincing me into thinking the bass player in Track
#6 “Alfie” from Nightclub was sitting
in my family room playing a live event.
I enjoyed engaging the Jazz DSP modes in my Yamaha RX-Z7 for this track
as it provided the rich ambient reverberation of a small jazz club to compliment
the very tactile and surreal bass I was hearing.
DVD-A: Blue Man Group – Complex
This is a great disc that I’ve shelved for quite some
time. It was time to dust off the
cobwebs and introduce the Blue Men to a pair of f110s. I started off with the disc configured for
the DVD-A soundtrack opening with track#1
“Above”. My RBH speaker system
integrated quite well with the pair of f110s giving me the illusion that the
bass was being projected from the main speakers. Track #2 “Time to Start” showed off the
weight of the bass drops when the f110s were handling bass duties. The section of the song where the heavy
percussions are dominant sounded wonderfully dynamic and deep when played at
very high levels (above 100dB). I don’t
condone listening at these levels but, hey I do it for the benefit of our
readers to ensure the products can handle real world torture tests.
I switched over to the DTS 96/24 sound track via the DVD video portion of the disc to listen and watch “Sing Along” with Dave Matthews on vocals. I don’t know if it’s because of the visual impact or not biasing my judgment, but I subjectively feel the DTS version of this song sound better than the DVD-A version. The percussion section was delivered with aplomb as I was enveloped in the whipping sounds all around me. This track is so stunning both in terms of its audio and video that it’s a must demo to your guests that never experienced a really good surround playback system in a home environment. I finished off this demo with the “Drum Breakdown” (drum mix) track. This track shook me to my core with the percussive extravaganza that the Blue Man Group is known for. I had to lower the bass levels a bit as I found it a bit overpowering
DTS DVD: LTJ Bukem - Planet Earth
I’m not
sure where i acquired this disc but it was sitting in my collection for over a
year until I decided to finally give it a whirl. Boy was I pleasantly surprised. After a short listening session I’ve begun to
realize this is one of the most bass intense multi-channel recordings I’ve ever heard. In fact, paired with the right subs, I’d say
listening this disc at reference levels would be a good homeopathic cure for
mild constipation. The multi-channel portion of this disc is recorded
in DTS ES and will work out your subs via an awesome array of funky beats,
riffs, mashes and slams. The bass lines
in track #1 “Makoto” were quite intoxicating.
The JL f110s were the guest of honor for track #2 “K-scope” which was
had spy like overtones layered in deep textured bass. There was a party in my ears and JL Audio was
invited. The bass had my heart pumping
and I’d heed a serious warning to anyone with a pacemaker to proceed with
caution. Track #7”Words 2B Heard” has
exceedingly low bass response that went unnoticed when I played this track on
my computer speakers to recall the tune while writing this review. The f110s displayed superb control during the
long bass transients demonstrating that their amplifiers had plenty of headroom,
thanks to the large linear supply, and the woofers had ample travel to deliver
clean sustained bass. This was
especially true for track #11 “Suspended Space” which sounded a lot like
Tubular Bells with an injection of Red Bull on the low end. Track #8 “Love Is” is a jazzy tune with gobs
of bass that sounded absolutely wonderful on my system thanks to the addition
of the two f110s. It was clear to me
that the f110s brought my family room reference system to new heights or, more
accurately stated, new lows that had
previously been unachieved using a single
larger, or smaller dual subwoofers.
Movies
I tend to favor music over movies when reviewing equipment but I did throw in a variety of movies ranging from the opening scenes of Star Wars Episode I Phantom Menace to Wall-E (yes I have kids, but it’s a very cool movie). Whether I was battling Sith lords or destroying Borg vessels, the dual f110s insured I was hearing every explosion and bone crushing scene to its fullest potential. The f110s produced so much tactile energy with the ship landing in Wall-E for example that it felt as if my chairs were armed with motion actuators. The JL Audio subs were avid movie goers providing a dimension of depth and slam to my system that persuaded me to watch more movies on it than I’d ordinarily do otherwise.
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I suggest this sub to anyone with the funds and lack of desire for the effort required to orchestrate a DIY project.
Chris this really is an exceptional deal commercially speaking. Can a kappa style box with the 12w7 best it? I'd be willing to bet so. But seriously it's not as simple as it's stated. Even coordinating such a project costs money and time. Ordering a JL Audio takes a click and a check.
bandphan;591657
The head up the arse comment prompted me to re-post the challenge,
That comment was simply an outburst of my annoyance that so many people prefer to just buy a name brand pre-made item, rather than do minimal work to end up with much more for their money. No DIY is even needed in many case - as you can have the box easily built by any car audio shop for cheap and I offer to guide anyone along the process - or they can even choose among pre-fabbed/prefinished cabinets from some sources.
Sometimes you come across as a demi god, especially when discussing products you havent measured or listened to.
scott
I can understand why some people may think I am crazy to discuss products I have not personally analyzed. But when someone gets to the level of knowledge that I have in regards to physical behaviour/limits of specific construction and principles and the measured result expectations, it's just no mystery at all to me; I know the specific limitations and potential performance possible - and I can accurately make comments based on these pre-known performance windows. Of course, an unknown factor could throw me way off base... but in the case of the Fathom F113 and the JTR speaker in another thread... I have seen no evidence of a special factor/variable being present that would allow for something I can't already accurately guess. In the case of the Fathom 113; it's already been measured accurately b a credible 3rd party (so I have extensive data on it's actual performance) add I have used 'raw' JL audio drivers, including W7 units (same tech used in the Fathom, with minor changes), I know their performance abilities/limits.
-Chris
WmAx;591408
If you apply this to me, I don't poke fun at anyone, not in any serious way. I don' t know about 'twice the performance' of the Fathom for 1/2 the price, I have never made any such claim as possible with a sealed cabinet of comparable size to the Fathom, but you can certainly build it's equal for about 1/2 or a bit more the price. There is no secret to this: you can buy a variant of the W7 13" driver JL used in the Fathom for about $600. You can build a virtual clone of the unit for just a tad over 1/2 the cost of the authorized retailer selling price of the Fathom 13", and the DIY will be superior because the DSP I will specify will be more powerful and have more capabilities to seamlessly integrate the subwoofer with the main speakers. Although, 'auto' setup feature will not be present - you will have to do manual setup instead. The amplification and processing hardware will be external, not internal to the sub, as I am not aware of an appropriate internal mounting set up for this subwoofer that is available to the general public.
You can even exceed the JL version if the person wants to go to a larger cabinet size and go ported; LF output will be dramatically increased and distortion radically reduced. If cabinet size is increased, one can even mount the pro-amp and processing unit into the cabinet.
This sounds so bold and impressive, but it's not. Why would anyone spend $1500-$1700 to build a sub and send it off to some person just to look superior on an internet post? How could the DIY version be any worse than the commercial one? You are using the same technology driver and using superior amplification and DSP hardware. You could even exceed it if an Audiopulse ULTRA LMS or AXIS driver was available in 13", but they are not, and it would be 'cheating' to use the 15" version against the 13" W7. But if you want to compare to the 12" Fathom, then there are 12" LMS ULTRA and AXIS drivers available - which are superior to the W7 drivers - as verified in Klippel analysis.
-Chris
my point was is, has anyone taken craig up on this? I have zero doubt that a better sub can be built with 3db more output with a large ported design, but does anyone in the dyi group(which includes me) want to take the challenge? The head up the arse comment prompted me to re-post the challenge, as some just do not care to go dyi or want a one box small footprint solution regardless of the cost, thats all. I guess some are not wanting to be called dumb arses beacuse they dont want to follow your end all design plans. Its nothing personal, as i respect your ability to build high quality products. Sometimes you come across as a demi god, especially when discussing products you havent measured or listened to.
scott
bandphan;591324
Quote:Originally Posted by craigsub
Manville is correct.
It is ridiculous to have to continue to tolerate these meaningless posts from people who have never even auditioned a Fathom, and who have no interest in one, either.
This trend to poke fun at people buying the Fathom for "having more money than sense" and the constant claims of "I could build a sub with twice the performance for half the price" gets really old.
If you apply this to me, I don't poke fun at anyone, not in any serious way. I don' t know about 'twice the performance' of the Fathom for 1/2 the price, I have never made any such claim as possible with a sealed cabinet of comparable size to the Fathom, but you can certainly build it's equal for about 1/2 or a bit more the price. There is no secret to this: you can buy a variant of the W7 13" driver JL used in the Fathom for about $600. You can build a virtual clone of the unit for just a tad over 1/2 the cost of the authorized retailer selling price of the Fathom 13", and the DIY will be superior because the DSP I will specify will be more powerful and have more capabilities to seamlessly integrate the subwoofer with the main speakers. Although, 'auto' setup feature will not be present - you will have to do manual setup instead. The amplification and processing hardware will be external, not internal to the sub, as I am not aware of an appropriate internal mounting set up for this subwoofer that is available to the general public.
You can even exceed the JL version if the person wants to go to a larger cabinet size and go ported; LF output will be dramatically increased and distortion radically reduced. If cabinet size is increased, one can even mount the pro-amp and processing unit into the cabinet.
When called upon to prove it, of course there is a plethora of excuses why the DIY guru cannot do so. I particularly like the "I cannot afford to build you a subwoofer" excuse. Afterall, based on the claims, I would be doubling the DIY guy's money when purchasing the sub from him.
This sounds so bold and impressive, but it's not. Why would anyone spend $1500-$1700 to build a sub and send it off to some person just to look superior on an internet post? How could the DIY version be any worse than the commercial one? You are using the same technology driver and using superior amplification and DSP hardware. You could even exceed it if an Audiopulse ULTRA LMS or AXIS driver was available in 13", but they are not, and it would be 'cheating' to use the 15" version against the 13" W7. But if you want to compare to the 12" Fathom, then there are 12" LMS ULTRA and AXIS drivers available - which are superior to the W7 drivers - as verified in Klippel analysis.
-Chris
