Infinity Primus P363 Floorstanding Loudspeaker Introduction

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Infinity P363Infinity has been making speakers since 1968 and is probably one of the most recognized names in the industry, especially since Harman acquired the brand. While their core business these days is car audio, they were once an esoteric high end home audio loudspeaker manufacturer. These days, Harman has refocused the brand more mainstream for big box stores and internet sales channels leaving Revel to fill in the gap for those discriminating audiophiles wanting more upscale products. The Primus series is currently the top of the line offering from Infinity. In fact, this line of product is a favorite among our forum community, as many have claimed them to be a superb value. You can check out Tom Andry's review of the Primus P162 bookshelf speaker for his thoughts.  I was curious to see how their flagship P363 tower speaker would perform so I requested a review set. Let’s take a tour of these speakers to see if they live up to the hype and benefit from the vast R&D Harman resources to make them a solid product offering from a brand that has built a reputation of quality for over 40 years.

Design Overview

The Infinity Primus P363s were double boxed with plenty of foam padding to ensure a safe arrival to our sound lab to conduct this review. There were no fancy socks or white gloves included with these speakers. Apparently Harman didn’t get the memo on how consumers often associate these accessories with “high end.” The P363’s were encased in plastic wrap to protect the finish. The P363’s came with plastic feet installed that physically raise the cabinet about an inch off the floor. They also provided the option of using rubber feet, but I stuck with the plastic ones. I’d probably recommend people with hardwood flooring to use the rubber feet since they would make for more solid footing to the floor while also better protecting the finish.

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Infinity P363 drivers

The Infinity Primus P363 is a rather compact 3-way tower design, standing about 3 ½ feet tall and sporting 4 drivers. They are designed and engineered by Harman in California but manufactured in China to keep costs down. The P363’s employ Infinity’s patented MMD “Metal Matrix Diaphragm” which is just a fancy name for a coated aluminum cone. I examined the cones and found them to be extremely stiff (good thing) while also being well damped to ensure a gradual break up mode. The dual 6.5” drivers produce the bass in this speaker up to around 350Hz where the mid frequencies are handed off to a 4” MMD midrange driver. These drivers employ stamped baskets with no venting and also use bucking magnets adding unnecessary weight and cost. If this were just for those still using a CRT display, it would be a waste, but more and more manufacturers are claiming that these magnets redirect flux back into the pole piece. The drivers employ 1” voice coils and a rather stiff suspension and spider to prevent excessive cone movement. There is not a lot of motor force here, but a speaker at this price isn’t expected to produce gobs of bass at meaningful output levels. The tweeter is an MMD ¾” hard dome with a rather anemic-looking neodymium motor structure. Luckily it is crossed over fairly high (around 3.3kHz) so it’s not tasked with producing the lower treble frequencies at high power, which it’s simply incapable of doing. Infinity also incorporated a wave guide or shallow horn to increase tweeter sensitivity and control directivity in an effort to better integrate the frequency response between the midrange and tweeter. I am a fan of the MMD cone material Infinity uses on these drivers, but would have liked to see the shielded magnets dropped in favor of allocating that budget towards beefing up the motor structures and voice coils a bit.

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Infinity P363 Crossover

There is nothing particularly special about the parts Infinity chose in these crossovers. They are the same crossover boards from the P360 predecessor employing a 2nd order network on the bass drivers (consisting of an iron core choke and electrolytic caps), 2nd order high pass filter on the midrange and a 4th order response between the midrange and the tweeter at 3.3kHz utilizing an air core inductor. While the parts usage was arguably ho-hum, it was nice to see that Infinity paid attention to proper bandwidth limiting on the drivers. We’ve seen more expensive speakers run with nothing but a padding resistor on their tweeter and no crossover at all on the midrange driver which introduces a host of performance problems. This was NOT the case with the P363’s. Personally I’d like to see Infinity replace the electrolytic with mylar caps as they not only offer a performance advantage, but also a longevity one as well. The crossover board was mounted on the back of the cabinet and connected to a single pair of 5-way binding posts on the rear bottom end of the cabinet.

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Infinity P363 Internal View thru front baffle: driver mounts (left pic), bottom cabinet (right pic)

The cabinet is constructed of 5/8” MDF but the front baffle is thinner due to the cutouts for the silver plastic driver covers that are presumably meant to increase the speaker’s visual appeal. Harman marketing didn’t get the memo on how front baffle rigidity is the most important part to make thick on a cabinet. I’d prefer to see Infinity ditch these silver driver covers and just stick to an entirely black and thicker front baffle with the drivers all flush mounted. I measured areas that were less than ½” thick right where the drivers mount. Luckily, Infinity was smart and employed thick stick bracing framed around the circumference of the cabinet in those areas to add rigidity. The cabinet was conservatively lined with rather thin gray insulation along the walls but was completely hollow at the bottom of the cabinet where sound foam is needed most to help dampen standing waves. The cabinet is vented with a 1” deep, 2“ circumference port on the front baffle below the bottom driver. The midrange driver was encased in its own plastic cup and was heavily insulated.

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Infinity P363 Binding Posts

The P363’s came with rather generic style connectors. It also had annoying plastic plugs glued into the back of the binding posts making it impossible for me to use banana plug cables. After spending nearly 15 minutes trying to pry them out, I had to use my drill to drill them out of the binding posts. This was very frustrating to me as it was the first time I’ve ever seen plastic protecting caps glued into a binding post so snugly. Harman told me they do this to be compliant with a European CE regulation. The ¾” spacing between the posts means the Euro AC plug with its two round prongs can be plugged directly into a speaker’s binding posts. The plastic plugs prevent this. Why anyone in Europe would ever think of plugging their AC cord into a speaker is a question no one has ever been able to answer. But, I’d venture to guess there’s a less tumultuous way Infinity could have accomplishing this since I’ve never encountered this problem before on other review speakers.

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Infinity P363 Grille Covers

The grilles of the Infinity P363 towers are constructed of flimsy plastic but the cloth is wound tight around the frame to minimize losses. They cover almost the entire front baffle (including the port) and wrap around the top edge of the cabinet. The grilles aren’t the magnetic type that’s becoming more popular these days with speakers, and the plastic pegs make for a very snug fit onto the front baffle. In fact, you really have to give quite a tug to remove them.

The P363’s are currently only offered in the pictured black vinyl finish, which is rather pedestrian looking but serves its purpose. With the grilles on, the Infinity P363 won’t draw much attention to itself.

Set-Up

I tested the Infinity P363 speakers in the following two scenarios:

  • Audioholics Showcase Theater room - two-channel utilizing the reference gear and premier listening space in the Audioholics Showcase home

  • Friend’s House to compare to his EMP E55Ti speakers

Listening Scenario #1 Audioholics Showcase Theater Room

For the first listening session, I positioned the P363 towers about 5ft from sidewalls and around 8ft from the back walls and spread apart about 10ft from each other which was about two feet shy of the distance from my primary listening position. After experimenting, I found they sounded their best with moderate toe-in. I used my Marantz PM-11S2 200wpc integrated stereo amplifier and the Denon DVD-A1UDCI Universal Blu-ray player as the source connected via balanced cables. All interconnects were furnished by Blue Jeans Cables (1694A Coax) and Kimber 8PR speaker cables with WBT compression banana plugs. The speakers in this case were run full-range with no bass management. For comparative purposes I also used my Denon AVP-A1HDCI A/V processor, Denon POA-A1HDCI 10 channel amplifier to run the P363’s bass managed to my reference Velodyne DD-15+ subwoofers crossed over at 80Hz.

Listening Scenario #2: Friend's Home Infinity P363 vs EMP E55Ti

I directly compared the Infinity P363 and EMP E55Ti speakers side by side on a Harman/Kardon HK 3490 stereo receiver using SPK A and SPK B outputs to switch between speaker pairs. Volume was properly adjusted each time to ensure the speaker pairs were level matched during the comparison. The cables were Kimber 8PR's and the source was the Denon DVD-1920CI connected via Sonicwave toslink to the HK 3490.

 

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audio0412 posts on January 19, 2013 10:56
hi

i read the review and from what i read, i had a pair of these for about a year..the weak link for this system is the tweeter. Though very efficient at high frequency it could use some upgrade down the road with a better unit. Any recommendations are appreciated!!!

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alenmics posts on December 16, 2012 08:46
hello friend how are you?
slipperybidness posts on December 12, 2012 19:04
monotonous15;932705
I've got a Technics SL-1900 with a Shure M44-7 cart. I bought this cart. 6 or so years ago for its low-end response to be perfectly honest. I've have since grown out of my need for this type of cart and am looking to find a lower-output/warm cart. to put on here. Its served me very well though and I've no complaints.

Actually if anyone wants to weigh in, my TT is in dire need of being serviced in the rising/lowering platform for the arm. I think it uses some sort of viscous fluid to apply friction to this motion and I need to replace it but I'm not sure how. If anyone has any tips it would be highly appreciated.


For those who are interested, this is an older video (with the old speakers) of my equipment. And I don't want to hear about the TT placement because it was temporary for the video :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6YvgzBUhXs [youtube.com]


You should PM TLSguy about the TT. He can almost certainly point you in the right direction.

I thought it looked like a Technics, but smaller. I run the SL-1210 with Shure M97xE
monotonous15 posts on December 12, 2012 18:39
slipperybidness;932671
Not bad. What turntable and cart are you running?

I've got a Technics SL-1900 with a Shure M44-7 cart. I bought this cart. 6 or so years ago for its low-end response to be perfectly honest. I've have since grown out of my need for this type of cart and am looking to find a lower-output/warm cart. to put on here. Its served me very well though and I've no complaints.

Actually if anyone wants to weigh in, my TT is in dire need of being serviced in the rising/lowering platform for the arm. I think it uses some sort of viscous fluid to apply friction to this motion and I need to replace it but I'm not sure how. If anyone has any tips it would be highly appreciated.


For those who are interested, this is an older video (with the old speakers) of my equipment. And I don't want to hear about the TT placement because it was temporary for the video :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6YvgzBUhXs [youtube.com]
slipperybidness posts on December 12, 2012 17:03
monotonous15;932625
Well this is long overdue. Sorry for the poor cable management but here are the new speakers! I absolutely love them.



Not bad. What turntable and cart are you running?
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