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Primus P162 Set-up and Measurements

by Tom Andry last modified April 09, 2009

Primus_back.JPGThe Infinity P162s were fairly easy to place. Even with no toe-in (pointed straight ahead) I got a very clear center image. Turning the speakers toward me, I found that the imaging tightened slightly but at the expense of soundstage width. On my 30" Studio Tech stands, my ears were just about between the port and the woofer (a little higher or lower depending on my level of slouch) - lower than the generally recommended tweeter height. As you'll see later in the measurements section, this is actually the sweetspot for the speaker response so it worked out well. I wired the speakers up with Blue Jeans Canare 4S11 Cable. Source was a Denon DVD-3910 universal player through a Denon AVR-2307CI pushing two Seymour AV Ice Block 5001 monoblock amplifiers. I was sitting about 8 feet from the speakers with the pair about 6 feet apart. The speakers were no closer (and in most cases quite a bit farther away) than 2 feet from any boundary.

Measurements & Testing

For laboratory measurements I used the Sencore SP395A FFT Audio Analyzer and a Sherbourn 2/75B amp. I measured the Infinity P162's in room on and off-axis frequency response with 1/12th octave resolution. The first thing I discovered is that the sweetspot for this speaker is quite a bit lower than the generally recommended tweeter level. Many speakers measure best between the tweeter and woofer but the P162s measured best at woofer level or a bit lower. From about 4" away, dead center on the woofer was the flattest response with tweeter level showing a huge bump in the high frequency range. From a farther out, the flattest response was lower - about the level of the port or a touch higher. It seemed apparent to me that Infinity was putting a lot of sizzle into this speaker based on market demands at this price point and the typical sales channels they are offered to. Aside from the hot top end response above 10kHz, the speaker measured fairly linear and displayed good bass extension given the enclosure and woofer size.

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P162 1 Meter Frequency Response (1/12th Octave) On Axis
Note: this is NOT a 1 watt measurement

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P162 1/2 Meter Frequency Response (1/12th Octave)
Pink - On axis, Orange - 15 degrees off axis, Yellow - 30 degrees off axis

As you can see, the response of the speaker is fairly uniform with a bit of a bump in the higher register - especially on axis. This is a speaker that should be positioned with a minimum of toe-in with the ear height no higher than the middle of the woofer.

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P162 Impedance

The Sencore consistently measures impedance one ohm low. I measured 5.5ohms at the terminals which lines up pretty well with the Sencore. Infinity claims 8 ohms and while not technically true, the benign impedance profile should match up well with most any receiver on the market. In conversations that Gene DellaSala (Audioholics President) has had with Dr. Floyd Toole of Harman, he stated that it’s a Harman requirement to have no speakers dip much below 4 ohms which is clearly evident in the design of this system.

 

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lsiberian posts on April 27, 2009 11:00
GOYA;558728
There is a glaring omission in the P162 review: allowance for a break-in period. Maybe the reviewer did allow for this but the noted harsh highs and decreased bass extension could very well be a result of out-of-the-box performance.



As an owner of these speakers I can atest to the improvement of the speakers performance after 10-14 days of moderate use.


This isn't a glaring omission.
http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/speaker-break-in-fact-or-fiction/ [audioholics.com]

Read the above article for further education on the subject.

I will summarize by saying break-in is time it takes for you ears to tolerate bad sound or to adjust to good sound after years of bad sound.

This is why FR is probably your best measure of loudspeaker quality. However do to several factors most manufacturers compromise something to fit size constraints. Listening helps a person to determine what they can tolerate.
GOYA posts on April 27, 2009 10:23
There is a glaring omission in the P162 review: allowance for a break-in period. Maybe the reviewer did allow for this but the noted harsh highs and decreased bass extension could very well be a result of out-of-the-box performance.

As always, the first thing I do with a new set of speakers is it test out their low end response.


As an owner of these speakers I can atest to the improvement of the speakers performance after 10-14 days of moderate use.
redman_43 posts on April 15, 2009 16:50
I couldn't agree with the review more. I've got a pair in my system for the fronts and will be moving them to the rear for surround duty when I upgrade to towers up front. Awesome little (relatively speaking, of course) speakers for not much dough.

Thumbs up to Infinity for a job well done.
Alex2507 posts on April 14, 2009 23:22
tbergman;553063
Yeah, pretty sure I'm going to pick up the P142's sometime. I'm really liking the betas and these should be a good match for some surrounds that won't cost too much and will do for my system until I get out of school.


Get the 152's. Then you can cross everything over at 80Hz as opposed to the 100Hz for the 142's and they are not much more money. The best place to get them is here:

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Harman-Audio__W0QQ_armrsZ1 [stores.shop.ebay.com]

Full warranty at auction prices blah blah blah. Something is wrong with the site at the moment but they'll get it sorted out.

Rock on Dude.
allargon posts on April 14, 2009 22:54
No site is the definitive end-all be all. I read various websites and research any product I plan to purchase as much as possible. Audioholics is pretty good. They are among the best. Are they perfect? Of course not. Gene just said Consumer Reports likes Bose. Bose and CR don't have the best history.

Consumer Reports has been off on cars, appliances, electronics, lawn equipment, etc. They're not perfect, either.

I am an Infinity Primus owner. I like my Primus'. They're fine for the budget I paid for them. Are they fatiguing? Well, I hate my center channel. However, I don't find them fatiguing. Tom found the bookshelves fatiguing. Well, that's Tom. He's a professional reviewer whom I trust. However, it's subjective. I despise bright speakers. I won't go near Klipsch or Polk. However, others love them. Different folks (even reviewers) have different preferences.
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