Sony loses $3.3 Billion, Xbox Price Drop Imminent?

by Tom Andry last modified June 27, 2008
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It's only money, right?

There is one truism about video games that most people don't know - Buying a console at or near launch is usually a steal. In order to get the best market penetration they can, most manufacturers release their consoles at a loss. This has historically been the model. That money is made back as production is ramped up and costs decrease and (mostly) through software sales. Sony has the added benefit of making money on Blu-ray disc sales as well since they are one of the founding members of the Blu-ray Disc Association.

That hasn't stopped them from losing an estimated 3.3 billion dollars in console sales alone.

Yes, that's billion. How is this possible? Well, the PS3 has cost more to produce than almost any other console in history. At launch, the 20 gig version cost nearly $806 but was sold at $500, the 60 gig cost $840 and sold for $600. Doing the math there, all those that paid $100 for the larger drive lost $60 in the transaction.

Nintendo has been famous for selling consoles at or near cost and their Wii is no different. At launch it was selling for $250 but only cost $158 to produce. Xbox 360 has been making about $75 per unit but when you factor in the estimated $1 billion in losses from the "Red Ring of Death" failures, it probably means that Microsoft is "in the red" so to speak. Microsoft is reporting that failure rate has officially dropped but "dropped" doesn't mean "stopped." Expect that $1 billion number to get a few decimal places after it at the very least before all this is over.

Don't kid yourself, these estimated costs don't factor in the years of research and development that took place to get the console to market to begin with.

At this time it seems like manufacturing costs for the PS3 have almost halved which means that Sony's losses have reduced from a gushing artery to a oozing sore. As much as the hardcore PS3 fans like to tout the hardware advantages of their console of choice, most of the best selling games have either been Xbox 360 exclusives or released on both consoles. This will make it harder for Sony to convince their potential customers that their console is the best choice. With the hype around Metal Gear Solid 4 and some of the great ratings that it is getting, Sony is surely seeing a bit of a boost in sales (reportedly up to 700% increase in Japan though only 7% in the UK).

Microsoft probably isn't going to sit on its laurels, however, and very well may lower prices to force Sony either to lose more money and follow suit or risk the 360 outselling them as it has whenever the price difference has been large enough (2:1 when the difference was $200). With Sony's Chief Executive Howard Stringer promising not to lose money this year on the PS3, the stage seems set for an Xbox 360 price drop.

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Panjsheri posts on June 28, 2008 21:08
Well just like the beginning of the DVD standard all the money will be made on the BD Discs and the licensing fees like the money that was and is being made by DVD. Also eventual price drops in the BD Disc itself will help offset the loses into profits. I am sure now that the HD war is over things will get better for Sony and Blu Ray I am sure with all the money, R&D and people they have in Sony they might have thought of the worst outcomes before coming out with BD Disc and PS3. You can say they didnt make many games at first because they were threatened by HD DVD but now that is over and more games will come Im sure of it
jonnythan posts on June 28, 2008 20:00
Beginning of its life?

The PS3 has been out over a year and a half and they are still bleeding money on every sale.
abboudc posts on June 28, 2008 19:52
Sony has a few challenges facing it:

1. Adoption of blu-ray. It's not like the giant leap from VHS to DVD. Many, many people with upscaling DVD players deem the quality just fine and see no reason to upgrade.

2. "the download era" is upon us. Netflix, OnDemand, Apple TV, 360, and even PS3 have downloadable movies. The disc drive is becoming less and less important.

3. price. PS3 models cost more than the 360, and $400 is way too much to spend on a "movie player".

4. games. up to this point, the games have been better on the 360. Even games that are multiplatform (ahem, EA) played much better on the 360.

Is it too late? Nope. The games are coming. Sony should start touting the superior sound quality and video quality of blu-ray instead of just saying "high definition". The price on the players needs to hit the $200 mark. They still have a window, but it's quickly slipping by...we're already 2 years into this console gen, and *everyone* is jumping on the downloadable movie bus...
MinusTheBear posts on June 28, 2008 18:28
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PS3 has been "profitable" to Sony in some ways:

- it coveted the next generation format : BLU RAY. Without PS3 blu ray would still be struggling with HD DVD. That in itself Sony hopes to bring $ in terms of royalties and support to make up for the lost in actual PS3 sales.

- face saving. Though not monetary, by wining the next gen format Sony somewhat had avenge their lost in the beta vs VHS and now against Toshiba.

What more can you ask for?


You have a point here. Sony losing 3.3 billion on the ps3 will not sink the company, neither would it Microsoft. The xbox was not profitable for microsoft the first time around but Microsoft even made it public that they didnt care that they lost money with their first console all they wanted to do was to establish themselves in the market with Nintendo and Sony and they succeded. When it comes to Blu-Ray, Sony has triumphed in a sense that it has won the market for the hi-defintion format. Maybe sony is thinking that they have already established a market for gaming, lets focus on establishing Blu-Ray. This brings me back to my previous point that Sony should take a different approach to marketing the PS3.
ned posts on June 28, 2008 05:42
PS3 has been "profitable" to Sony in some ways:

- it coveted the next generation format : BLU RAY. Without PS3 blu ray would still be struggling with HD DVD. That in itself Sony hopes to bring $ in terms of royalties and support to make up for the lost in actual PS3 sales.

- face saving. Though not monetary, by wining the next gen format Sony somewhat had avenge their lost in the beta vs VHS and now against Toshiba.

What more can you ask for?
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