HDMI Audio Transmission for Blu-ray and HD DVD

by Gene DellaSala last modified July 23, 2009
Toshiba HD DVD Player

Toshiba HD DVD Player

We are seeing the following common questions from our readers regarding what happens when they connect their new Blu-ray Disc (BD) or HD DVD player to their A/V receivers or processors via HDMI. Some of the latest generation receivers are HDMI 1.2 compliant allowing them to handle multi-channel PCM audio from these new high definition formats. But what exactly are they transmitting?

Check out our little FAQ session with Craig Eggers of Dolby Labs to find out:

What signal does the receiver receive? (IE. PCM decoded DD+/TrueHD)

The receiver would receive a multi-channel PCM signal that has been decoded from the original source content by the Optical Player. Hence the player is doing the decoding and sending the data out as multi channel PCM to the receiver or processor.

In what resolution does the receiver receive the content ( Ie. 96 kHz / 24-bit or downconverted to 44 kHz / 16-bit)?

If the player has a lossless decoder, then it must output the source unaltered into the mixer. If the mixer does not have a downsampler (sample rate conversion), then the final PCM is the same sample rate as the source. If the mixer uses sample rate conversion, which could mean 48 kHz sources are upsampled to 96k, or it could mean 96k sources are downsampled to 48 kHz, then the output frequency does not match the source. I am not presently aware of any players with sample rate conversion. I am also not aware of any players that convert PCM from 24-bits down to 16-bit.

What advantages are there in having the receiver (HDMI 1.3) do the actual decoding as opposed to the HD DVD/Blu-ray Disc Player?

Potentially there is no difference for HD DVD. HD DVD discs authored as Advanced Content require the audio to be decoded and mixed. Presently that process occurs in-player. In BD, there is also little to no difference, since the decoders in the players are often the same as the decoders in the receivers or processors.

Please List Some advantages of next generation receivers or processors with HDM 1.3

  • If the player does not offer full 24/96 processing, then passing the bitstream to a connected AV receiver equipped with decoding and processing is an option.
  • Full, uncompromised processing of all PCM sources (and high definition digital video) as well as full backward compatibility is possible.
  • An AV receiver equipped with Dolby Digital Plus can decode all legacy Dolby Digital streams as well as Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD streams from existing and future set-top boxes and devices that can play high-definition movies.

Editorial Comments about Future HDMI 1.3-enabled Receivers

As it stands right now, HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc players are doing all of the work typically done at the receiver/processor side to decode the multi-channel audio soundtracks. So far our listening experiences with the new HD DVD players passing the high resolution audio via HDMI as multi-channel PCM to the receiver have been very positive. But, one wonders just how much better the audio experience could be if the player itself wasn’t converting the audio to multi channel PCM via HDMI, or  re-encoding it to pass as a DTS bitstream via a toslink connection. Starting late this summer, we should start seeing HDMI 1.3 enabled receivers hit the store shelves from the likes of Denon, Sherwood Newcastle, Yamaha, and others. Until then, we keep eagerly awaiting the day for setting up comparative testing between having the player doing the decoding versus having the receiver/processor handling the entire audio processing.

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by Gene DellaSala last modified July 23, 2009

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Seth=L posts on May 12, 2007 22:24
I know it says that in the manual, but I am not sure that it applies to the HD audio formats, it would seem it would. I am not certain as I don't have the necessary things to prove it.

Oh, well.
no. 5 posts on May 12, 2007 22:03
Seth=L;269014
After hearing from another member that spoke with a rep from Yamaha, the RX-V661 does not do 7.1 LPCM with Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, and I don't know of any other LPCM tracks extending over 5.1 on any format other than Blu-ray or HD-DVD.


This is from the 661’s manual, under “HDMI compatibility with this unit”:
Multi-ch Linear
PCM
8ch, 32-192 kHz,
16/20/24 bit

Seth=L;269014
I now recall there was something special about that unit.


that and, IMO it looks so cool!
Seth=L posts on May 12, 2007 20:12
I believe that all versions of HDMI will do eight channel lossles PCM, however, not every receiver will do eight channel PCM. For instance, the Onkyo TX-SR674/604 (HDMI v1.1) only supports six channel PCM over HDMI, but the Yamaha RX-V661 (HDMI v1.2a) will do eight channel PCM over HDMI.



After hearing from another member that spoke with a rep from Yamaha, the RX-V661 does not do 7.1 LPCM with Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, and I don't know of any other LPCM tracks extending over 5.1 on any format other than Blu-ray or HD-DVD.

The Panasonic DMP-BD10 has an eight channel analog out (found out about that a day or two ago).

I now recall there was something special about that unit.
MACCA350 posts on May 12, 2007 19:32
SDDSfan;268928
The only advantage with HDMI is HDMI 1.3as and it will be available on the newer recievers by Onkyo.

While 1.2a presents a solution to sophisticated hook up.

You can only access lossy inforamtion from pcm.
PCM is LOSSLESS

The Lossless information from dolby digial bitstream on disc can only be decoded and sent by HDMI 1.3 only.
Dolby Digital is LOSSY(Dolby TrueHD is LOSSLESS) and can be 'decoded' and sent over any version of HDMI as PCM

cheers
MACCA350 posts on May 12, 2007 17:49
As No.5 has said, All versions of HDMI support the transmission of 8 channel PCM 24/192kHz. The limiting factors to this is in the player or receiver and not related to the HDMI version.

From HDMI FAQ's
Q. Do I need v1.3 HDMI to hear the new Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master HD audio content on HD-DVD or Blu-ray players?No. The Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, and DTS-HD Master Audio can be decoded by the playback device into multi-channel Pulse Code Modulation (PCM) digital audio streams, which is an audio format standard that can be sent over any version of HDMI. In fact, all versions of HDMI can support up to 8 channels of PCM audio at 192kHz, 24 bits per sample.

I thought we covered this already.

cheers
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