Testing Equipment and Procedure
Since this isn't something just anyone
can do, we felt it only appropriate to really explain the testing equipment and
exactly how the tests are carried out. Due to the sensitivity of the
measurement system and the frequencies involved, you can't simply hook up these
cables to an LCR meter and measure resistance, capacitance and inductance.
We're dealing with rise and fall times of individual bits in a signal that is
sending (in our case) up to 5 BILLION of these bits every second - and that's
just over a one of the pairs of cables. There are four basic components to the
testing system we utilized: the signal generator, the HDMI test probes, the scope,
and the software which ran the tests and provided more detailed results.
The signal generator was an Anritsu Pulse Pattern Generator (model MP1763C for you propeller heads). This sent a signal to an HDMI Test Fixture which we attached to one end of an HDMI cable to be tested. The other end connected to another Test Fixture which then fed into the TDT/TDR Sampling modules of a Tektronix DSA 8200 Digital Serial Analyzer. The signal generator costs around $84,900 in its stock form, the test probes are around $12,000 each and the base price of the Tektronix Analyzer/Scope is $25,000 with the TDR modules costing another $18,000 each. If anyone reading this is interested in doing these tests on your own, simply put your house up for sale and you might be able to afford the required equipment. We felt very fortunate to be able to use a system provided by Monster Cable (they actually have a spare, believe it or not). Check out the parts list and pricing of what a fully-equipped rig costs:
- Tektronix DSA 8200 Digital Serial Analyzer, $25,000
- 2 x Tektronix 80E04 TDT/TDR Sampling Modules, $36,000
- Anritsu MP1763C-1 Pulse Pattern Generator, $85,000
- Digital Serial Waveform Analysis Software, $20,000
- HDMI Test Fixture Calibration Kit, $5,000
- 2 x HDMI Test Fixture TPA-R adaptors, $24,000
- 4 x 20" RF Coaxial test cables with SMA connectors, $1,600
- 2 x 36" RF Coaxial test cables with SMA connectors, $1,000
- 18 x Precision SMA 75-ohm Terminations, $7,200
- Agilent GPIB/USB Interface, $700
Grand Total = $205,500 (not including the laptop to run the software)
Once the system is properly configured, testing is a very straightforward process. The general idea is that you are looking to see how well the cable allows for the individual bits, in the form of 1's and 0's, to be resolved by the system. Once a cable exceeds its spec (goes further than it is rated), the rise and fall times lose definition and the test fails. The way we look at this is through the use of an eye pattern. The eye pattern is a rectangular box which resides within the rise and fall time of a set of bit transitions.

A passing signal
When the rise and fall time take on a more gradual slope, we note this as jitter - something every cable will reflect (see above). When the pattern eventually intersects the center eye, or rectangle, we say the cable has failed.

The signal goes "squish", like grape. This doesn't mean it won't pass
real-world, however.
The amount of variance in the system is shown by the thickness of the lines making up the pattern. Some cables had a medium thick line, and some had very thick lines. Many cables with higher variances were prone to failing earlier, but this wasn't an absolute indicator by any means. If you'll notice, each bit is only part of the whole signal which makes up the picture. That means that an HDMI cable can show gradual or partial degradation. That's how you get snow and 'hits' on an image instead of having it simply shut off.
We were only able to run tests on analogue cables, so we had to put aside our active HDMI cables since we didn't have the correct sampling modules for that job (We were going to spring for the extra $72,000 in active-ready modules but we left our credit card in our other pants...)
See also:
Recent Forum Posts:
Adam;828894
Shhhhh! I'm workin' here.
Hey, steveroland211, I've got some amazing high-value HDMI cables, only $100 for a six-footer. Your digital signals will come through totally unaltered. Pure A/V magic, I tell ya. I can get them to you in about a week, and I offer several different lengths and colors. Oh, and don't mind the markings. I just put "Monoprice" on the bags to keep my source confidential.
You need to get the signals there faster than light speed though. Then, it might be a good price.
Pyrrho;828891
You cannot see the difference in a short cable that costs less than $10 and an expensive one.
Shhhhh! I'm workin' here.
Hey, steveroland211, I've got some amazing high-value HDMI cables, only $100 for a six-footer. Your digital signals will come through totally unaltered. Pure A/V magic, I tell ya. I can get them to you in about a week, and I offer several different lengths and colors. Oh, and don't mind the markings. I just put "Monoprice" on the bags to keep my source confidential.
steveroland211;823123
Everybody knows that you get what you pay for
That is the stupidest thing that people parrot back all the time. If it were true, there would be no such thing as a con or a bad deal, because you would always be getting what you paid for. No person with any sense who thinks about it even for a little while really believes it. If it were true, every ridiculous CD "demagnetizer" and other such worthless gizmos would actually work, and all of them would work in direct proportion to their cost. This is so freaking stupid it is amazing that people keep repeating it so much.
steveroland211;823123
and this is true even with HDMI Cables, the materials that the cables are made from makes a difference on the way you will see it on your HDTV.
Simply put it this way, if you buy a $1,000+ HDTV is completely nonsense to buy a $10.00 cable!
You seriously need to read the article. You cannot see the difference in a short cable that costs less than $10 and an expensive one. With short distances, you can get an HDMI cable for less than a dollar a foot that will not visibly or audibly degrade the sound, and therefore spending more is a waste of money, even if you spent $10,000 on your TV. You are giving very bad advice that is total bullshit.
steveroland211;823123
If you are going to invest on a good HDTV you better invest in as good HDMI cable that will assure you with the top quality imagine.
Im an HDTV installer and I always recommend my customers to buy the top quality cables, but something is also true that should be always be keep in mind, not all the big name cables manufactures are good cables! I will recommend a top quality cable that is not easy to find but the quality is fantastic is called Obsidian HDMI cables by a company called Soncras.
You probably recommend that they waste their money on expensive cables because the markup tends to be higher on cables than on other things. It is a total scam, and either you are a con artist, or you are a sucker who is now misleading others. Either way, you are as wrong as you could possibly be. People would be much better advised to spend their money on better speakers or a better TV, things that will make an audible or visible difference, rather than on something that makes no audible or visible difference.
But, of course, the markup usually isn't as good on things that actually matter, and so we may expect that unscrupulous salesmen will continue to push nonsense about magical wires on unsuspecting customers.
panzeroceania;526723
sorry, I'm not trying to troll, and I have found most the info out there, except the cable's gauge. That's the only thing I can't find. I somehow doubt that it is 16 as someone here as stated because it is no more bulky or stiff than my cables from other companies that are 22, sounds like a lie to make monster sound better. So far the best deals I can find are on monoprice, the best quality DVIgear, and the best standards meeting from bluejeancable.
I'm a facts guy, and never have any intention of causing any trouble, and can't understand people getting emotional about technology. I just like to gather data.
also in response to the thread you linked to, I'm don't have bose, I have a onkyo sound system . I don't have a lot of money to spend but I don't want my cables to be the weak link. I plan to someday get a 120hz or more television that supports deep color for when video games start supporting those features and don't feel like buying accessories twice.
This isn't high current signal, so wire gauge is of little importance. Since HDMI doesn't work via HDMI cable over extreme distance, anything more than about 50' is generally running on Cat5e or Cat6, which is usually 22ga. Now, HDMI over single coax exists and it's good to more than 300'. The biggest issues with HDMI, IMO- the connector sucks from a structural standpoint, the audio or video is subject to dropouts if the "handshake" drops below 4.7V (starting at 5V and allowing .3V volt drop isn't enough of a window to be practical) and the whole reason HDMI exists is so people can't copy Hollywood's crappy movies.
However, 120Hz isn't fast enough for clear video when the motion across the screen is extremely fast, so you might want to think about buying a plasma TV or something that's 3d capable which, by design, must be able to refresh much faster than 2d video needs. A 2d plasma will be less expensive than either a 2d or 3d LCD/LED if it's larger than 42" and capable of 1080p.
steveroland211;823123
Everybody knows that you get what you pay for and this is true even with HDMI Cables, the materials that the cables are made from makes a difference on the way you will see it on your HDTV.
Simply put it this way, if you buy a $1,000+ HDTV is completely nonsense to buy a $10.00 cable! If you are going to invest on a good HDTV you better invest in as good HDMI cable that will assure you with the top quality imagine.
Im an HDTV installer and I always recommend my customers to buy the top quality cables, but something is also true that should be always be keep in mind, not all the big name cables manufactures are good cables! I will recommend a top quality cable that is not easy to find but the quality is fantastic is called Obsidian HDMI cables by a company called Soncras.
Utter bullshit. HDMI is a digital interface. It's a completely different way of transmitting data over wires.
The primary benefit of a digital connection is error detection and correction. Data is sent over an HDMI cable in packets and each packet includes additional information to detect errors. If an error is detected, that packet is resent.
For example, if you want to send a particular chunk of data, such as:
1010110111011
Then an HDMI interface will transmit that data, plus additional information that describes that data without duplicating it: In my little toy example, we might have a simple check that counts the number of 1's in the code, in this case there are 9 ones. So the HDMI interface will send the following packet:
1010110111011 1001
where the additional 1001 at the end is a binary representation of the number 9. The receiving end will inspect each packet and make sure that the data portion and the error code portion still agree. Note, this is a very very simplistic example, the actual error detection codes are far more robust (i.e. this toy example would fail if an error occurred that didn't alter the total number of 1's)
In this way the error rate in a transmission can be essentially zero (you can resend a packet as many times as necessary to get it sent correctly). The trade off how fast that cable can transmit the data. The cables need to be able to transmit data very fast to allow the error correction to work without interrupting the real time display of your movie/music.
Luckily, the HDMI spec is not just really fast, it's blazing fast. A cable that actually meets the current HDMI 1.4a spec is supposed to be able to transmit at a rate of 10 billion bits per second (10gbps). How much is that? 10gbps is 1.25 Gigabytes per second (a byte is 8 bits), which is enough to transmit all the data on a double layer Blueray disc (50GB) in 40 seconds
This is roughly 500-1000x as fast as your "high speed" internet connection and 10-100 times faster than your average computer network. More importantly, this is roughly 200 times faster than necessary to transmit the Blueray data in real time allowing for plenty of time for error correction and other overhead.
This is why the HDMI cable makers are emphasizing bitrate -- it's really the only thing that matters for HDMI. Unfortunately for Monster and other fraudsters, as long as a cable actually meets the spec it's way more than is currently necessary, irregardless of price.
